time for me to renew my Jepp service. I usually get the California
Express for $144 per year. Generally the work that I have to
do is not that bad. My friend is going to be starting his
IFR training soon and I was thinking maybe the two of us
can get the Jeppview service that includes California plus
some extra bonus states (NV, AZ, UT, NM, not used very often)
but more importantly the updates look beyond simple. Attaching
a laptop to a GPS antenna gives you a nice moving map which seems
like a very nice independent backup if the plane happens go
really go south (not the cardinal direction).

Anyone have any experience using Jeppview? What are
the good points and the bad points?

thanks for the feedback.

gerald sylvester

I recently bought a anywhere weather system. the Ipaq screen is large enough
but is a little lacking on viewing in direct sunlight. i got it with the
pocket plates. Not sure how practical in real life it will be but it is nice
to see my position on the plates while shooting an approach. I have a 430,
so its a nice "back up" system.
They are coming out with a approach plate sized tablet called the Raven. it
will be at sun n fun and I'm sure there will be some reports on it.


steve

"G. Sylvester" wrote:

> time for me to renew my Jepp service. I usually get the California
> Express for $144 per year. Generally the work that I have to
> do is not that bad. My friend is going to be starting his
> IFR training soon and I was thinking maybe the two of us
> can get the Jeppview service that includes California plus
> some extra bonus states (NV, AZ, UT, NM, not used very often)
> but more importantly the updates look beyond simple. Attaching
> a laptop to a GPS antenna gives you a nice moving map which seems
> like a very nice independent backup if the plane happens go
> really go south (not the cardinal direction).
>
> Anyone have any experience using Jeppview? What are
> the good points and the bad points?
>
> thanks for the feedback.

Actually, you would use FliteDeck in the airplane. You get both
programs with the electronic subscription, JeppView and FliteDeck.

If you sit down and take the time to really learn how to use FliteDeck,
it is very good. The other issue is the system you will use to display
it. A tablet type display is by far the best.

What sort of cracks me up is their publicity. If you subscribe to some of the
major aviation magazines you'll see it - "New Technology . . Same Approach"

The funny part is that the "old" paper approach plate looks crisp and clear,
while the tablet disply is, well . . just sort off fuzzy. You can hardly read
the lettering, which jumps off the paper page!

G Faris

G Farris wrote:

> What sort of cracks me up is their publicity. If you subscribe to some of the
> major aviation magazines you'll see it - "New Technology . . Same Approach"
>
> The funny part is that the "old" paper approach plate looks crisp and clear,
> while the tablet disply is, well . . just sort off fuzzy. You can hardly read
> the lettering, which jumps off the paper page!
>
> G Faris

That all depends on the quality of the display. The charts look great on my
laptop, but that is not a practical solution for in-flight.

Fuzzy charts = lousy display.

"G Farris" > wrote in message
...
> What sort of cracks me up is their publicity. If you subscribe to some of
> the
> major aviation magazines you'll see it - "New Technology . . Same
> Approach"
>
> The funny part is that the "old" paper approach plate looks crisp and
> clear,
> while the tablet disply is, well . . just sort off fuzzy. You can hardly
> read
> the lettering, which jumps off the paper page!
>
> G Faris
>

The electronic charts look at least as good (as paper) in daylight if you
have a good display and there is no comparison at night. A feature that I
really like is having my position plotted on the airport diagram.

Mike
MU-2

>
>
> The electronic charts look at least as good (as paper) in daylight if you
> have a good display and there is no comparison at night. A feature that I
> really like is having my position plotted on the airport diagram.
>
> Mike
> MU-2

The airport diagram moving map is nothing short of fantastic. Jet Blue has
that set up and will almost certainly never have a runway incursion.

Sorry but maybe I wasn't clear. The primary purpose of using
the Jeppview is for the plates. I'll probably have to print
out the plates and not use a digital tablet. Maybe when I
get my own plane I'll splurge (doing it electronically sounds
a lot cleaner then flipping through tons of paper. But for
now, it would be primarily for replacing the paper subscription
of the Jepp plates. So for that purpose, how does it
compare?

Thanks for the replies already. Sounds like I gotta get
a tablet....along with a plane.

Gerald

"G. Sylvester" wrote:

> Sorry but maybe I wasn't clear. The primary purpose of using
> the Jeppview is for the plates. I'll probably have to print
> out the plates and not use a digital tablet. Maybe when I
> get my own plane I'll splurge (doing it electronically sounds
> a lot cleaner then flipping through tons of paper. But for
> now, it would be primarily for replacing the paper subscription
> of the Jepp plates. So for that purpose, how does it
> compare?

A printed chart from JeppView is as good as your printer because they
are vector-based. If you print at full page they are much easier to
read than a standard Jeppesen paper chart. And, the color charts look
great in color, although that isn't essential.

JeppView/FliteDeck is the best kept secret in GA. Jeppesen market
heavily to airlines, corporate, jet operators & part 135, but did not
do enough to market this package to GA. I have only subscribed to
their southwest service for 2 months and I am loving it! So far I use
it the way you intended - replace my paper charts subscription.
However, the potentials of FliteDeck, both at home & in aircraft, are
unbelievable.

JeppView v. paper Jepp charts.
Pro:
Easy update, your computer does the work v. What a pain
Update through mail & website, available anywhere v. Mail only
No more heavy flight bag v. Weight depending on subscribed areas, could
be significant
Can be installed on 4 PCs (home, office, airport & portable pc) v. One
1 set of charts
Limited flight plan function v. None
FliteDeck v. None
Con:
Must print to use, but JeppView makes printing easy to manage v.
Already printed
Limited flight plan function unless you also get FlightStar v. None

What makes JeppView/FliteDeck a good buy is FliteDeck, even if you only
use it at home in simulated mode to familiar yourself with the planned
flight. I tried to use it in my plane on my portable, but it seems
difficult because the size of my portable PC. I have order a sun light
readable touch screen monitor designed for car PC, and it should arrive
this week. My plan is to use my portable PC connected to the $200
touch screen and my old Precedus GPS. I will mount the monitor within
my view, and the portable PC could be kept anywhere within the reach of
all cables. To increase reliability, I reformatted my hard drive, and
installed only programs that I need for aircraft use. Since I already
have the PC & GPS, my hardware investment is only $200 for the monitor.


Preliminary testing shows my portable PC not having enough computing
power for track up mode, but it is ok on north up mode. If this setup
works well, I might upgrade my portable PC to a car PC which could have
all computing power & memory my budget could afford.

I have very limited experience with AnywhereMap, thus, I am not qualify
to compare JeppView/FliteDeck with AnywhereMap. TureFlight seems to be
a very good program too, but it also uses government charts. I am so
used to Jepp charts and the few times I used government charts, I just
did not like them.

Overall, JeppView/FliteDeck subscription is the less costly and "legal"
solution for my charts, update, & moving map requirement in a format
that I am familiar with. Plus, if and when I get FliteDeck to work, I
will have the same moving map as those jet pilots.

Information on affordable sunlight readable touch screen monitors
www.mp3car.com (general info & forums)
www.xenarc.com (well known brand)
search on ebay for Tview T-700TS (cheap, I mean affordable brand)

JeppView/FliteDeck is the best kept secret in GA. Jeppesen market
heavily to airlines, corporate, jet operators & part 135, but did not
do enough to market this package to GA. I have only subscribed to
their southwest service for 2 months and I am loving it! So far I use
it the way you intended - replace my paper charts subscription.
However, the potentials of FliteDeck, both at home & in aircraft, are
unbelievable.

JeppView v. paper Jepp charts.
Pro:
Easy update, your computer does the work v. What a pain
Update through mail & website, available anywhere v. Mail only
No more heavy flight bag v. Weight depending on subscribed areas, could
be significant
Can be installed on 4 PCs (home, office, airport & portable pc) v. One
1 set of charts
Limited flight plan function v. None
FliteDeck v. None
Con:
Must print to use, but JeppView makes printing easy to manage v.
Already printed
Limited flight plan function unless you also get FlightStar v. None

What makes JeppView/FliteDeck a good buy is FliteDeck, even if you only
use it at home in simulated mode to familiar yourself with the planned
flight. I tried to use it in my plane on my portable, but it seems
difficult because the size of my portable PC. I have order a sun light
readable touch screen monitor designed for car PC, and it should arrive
this week. My plan is to use my portable PC connected to the $200
touch screen and my old Precedus GPS. I will mount the monitor within
my view, and the portable PC could be kept anywhere within the reach of
all cables. To increase reliability, I reformatted my hard drive, and
installed only programs that I need for aircraft use. Since I already
have the PC & GPS, my hardware investment is only $200 for the monitor.


Preliminary testing shows my portable PC not having enough computing
power for track up mode, but it is ok on north up mode. If this setup
works well, I might upgrade my portable PC to a car PC which could have
all computing power & memory my budget could afford.

I have very limited experience with AnywhereMap, thus, I am not qualify
to compare JeppView/FliteDeck with AnywhereMap. TureFlight seems to be
a very good program too, but it also uses government charts. I am so
used to Jepp charts and the few times I used government charts, I just
did not like them.

Overall, JeppView/FliteDeck subscription is the less costly and "legal"
solution for my charts, update, & moving map requirement in a format
that I am familiar with. Plus, if and when I get FliteDeck to work, I
will have the same moving map as those jet pilots.

Information on affordable sunlight readable touch screen monitors
www.mp3car.com (general info & forums)
www.xenarc.com (well known brand)
search on ebay for Tview T-700TS (cheap, I mean affordable brand)

In a previous article, " > said:
>Easy update, your computer does the work v. What a pain
>Update through mail & website, available anywhere v. Mail only

Does that mean if you're at an "away" airport and find yourself about to
head off to parts unknown you can download charts? Of course that assumes
you have the electronic flight bag or a printer.

>Can be installed on 4 PCs (home, office, airport & portable pc) v. One
>1 set of charts

I wonder what they'd think if one of those computers was shared by the
whole flying club?

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I call these twits pseudo-literate. That is, they can read but won't.
-- Joe Zeff

In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
>In a previous article, " > said:
>>Easy update, your computer does the work v. What a pain
>>Update through mail & website, available anywhere v. Mail only
>
>Does that mean if you're at an "away" airport and find yourself about to
>head off to parts unknown you can download charts? Of course that assumes
>you have the electronic flight bag or a printer.

Whoa! I just went looking on the Jeppesen web site, and was disappointed
that there is hardly any price difference - Jeppview for Eastern US and
Eastern Canada is $852, and a Standard Airway Manual Service for the same
coverage is $980, for a mere $128 savings using the Jeppview. Considering
what they must save in printing and shipping and handling costs, I'm
surprised that Jeppview isn't way cheaper.

Oh well, "what the market will bear", I guess. They'd rather sell X
subscriptions at $Y than 2X at $Y-30%.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
- Donald Knuth

Paul Tomblin wrote:

> In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
> >In a previous article, " > said:
> >>Easy update, your computer does the work v. What a pain
> >>Update through mail & website, available anywhere v. Mail only
> >
> >Does that mean if you're at an "away" airport and find yourself about to
> >head off to parts unknown you can download charts? Of course that assumes
> >you have the electronic flight bag or a printer.
>
> Whoa! I just went looking on the Jeppesen web site, and was disappointed
> that there is hardly any price difference - Jeppview for Eastern US and
> Eastern Canada is $852, and a Standard Airway Manual Service for the same
> coverage is $980, for a mere $128 savings using the Jeppview. Considering
> what they must save in printing and shipping and handling costs, I'm
> surprised that Jeppview isn't way cheaper.
>

They still send CDs out every two weeks.

And, you can opt to update the charts on-line, although it takes a long time
unless you have access to broadband.

I was in a remote location last January when the charting cycle expired. It took
about an hour to get it all current via a local Earthlink dialup connection.

When I said the update is easy, I mean I put new CD that I received
from Jeppesen and the install program does the work; I do not need to
remove old paper charts and insert new ones. If I am on the road and
cannot receive CD that Jeppesen mailed to my home, I can access Jepp's
website and update my portable through the web.

I think your reply means if I go to a part of the world that is not in
my subscribed area, can I download that area. I actually called Jepp
on that. My subscrition only covered "southwest" and if I need to
travel to Seattle, I can buy a JeppView "TripKit" which is not on their
website, but available by calling customer service. The "TripKit"
works the same way paper TripKit works, but it is for JeppView. I have
not tried it yet, but during JeppView installation, install program
asked me if I have additional access code for coverage areas. I would
think when I called for JeppView TripKit, I paid with my credit card
and customer service would issue me an additional, one time only access
code for the area I am going to. Anyone who has experience please
share your experience of using JeppView Tripkit.

As for sharing computer in a club, I asked about Jepp's muti-user
license. The customer service person told me that additional muti-user
license save on the one-time $100 setup fee, and can activate on
additonal 4 computers. In my case, I paid $100 setup plus $195 a year
for southwest coverage. If my friend want to share my setup, we pay
additonal $195 a year, and between us, we can activate upto 8
computers. Please note that I use "activate" then "install" because
the program as is could be installed to as many PC as you want, but if
you do not activate that installation, the program stops working after
30 days.

I have not asked if the 8 computers could be used by more than 2 pilots
with more than 2 aircrafts. But it would be great if 4 people could
share 2 muti-user licenses with each person having 2 program
activations. That would be more affordable than paper charts
subscritions.

If you're not wedded to Jepp, take a look at seatlleavionics.com SmartPlates.
The plates are free and the software has excellent plate management and printing
capability. (I'm looking forward to trying SmartPlates on a new HP TC1100
tablet that I just got!)

http://seattleavionics.com/default.asp

On 4/12/2005 9:57 AM, G. Sylvester wrote the following:
>
> Sorry but maybe I wasn't clear. The primary purpose of using
> the Jeppview is for the plates. I'll probably have to print
> out the plates and not use a digital tablet. Maybe when I
> get my own plane I'll splurge (doing it electronically sounds
> a lot cleaner then flipping through tons of paper. But for
> now, it would be primarily for replacing the paper subscription
> of the Jepp plates. So for that purpose, how does it
> compare?
>
> Thanks for the replies already. Sounds like I gotta get
> a tablet....along with a plane.
>
> Gerald

In a previous article, said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> Whoa! I just went looking on the Jeppesen web site, and was disappointed
>> that there is hardly any price difference - Jeppview for Eastern US and
>> Eastern Canada is $852, and a Standard Airway Manual Service for the same
>> coverage is $980, for a mere $128 savings using the Jeppview. Considering
>> what they must save in printing and shipping and handling costs, I'm
>> surprised that Jeppview isn't way cheaper.
>>
>
>They still send CDs out every two weeks.

Yes, but if I were Jeppesen, I'd make one CD/DVD that covered the whole
world, and just have the software disable the bits you hadn't bought
coverage for. That would reduce their handling costs by a HUGE amount.
Plus it means that buying extra coverage would be a matter of downloading
a cryptographic token to unlock the extras. They could even give you the
equivalent of a "Trip Kit" - unlocking a coverage area just for one update
cycle.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Like the man said: "Nothing good ever goes in /opt."
-- Tim Foreman

Paul Tomblin wrote:

>
>
> Yes, but if I were Jeppesen, I'd make one CD/DVD that covered the whole
> world, and just have the software disable the bits you hadn't bought
> coverage for. That would reduce their handling costs by a HUGE amount.
> Plus it means that buying extra coverage would be a matter of downloading
> a cryptographic token to unlock the extras. They could even give you the
> equivalent of a "Trip Kit" - unlocking a coverage area just for one update
> cycle.
>

Every disk sent out has the entire world on it. It's always been that way since
Jeppview first came out.

They do. It is not on their website, but they do have JeppView TripKit.

" wrote:

>
>
> Overall, JeppView/FliteDeck subscription is the less costly and "legal"
> solution for my charts, update, & moving map requirement in a format
> that I am familiar with. Plus, if and when I get FliteDeck to work, I
> will have the same moving map as those jet pilots.

Only a small percentage of jet pilots have it up and running. The best
installations are the 777 and the new Gulfstream where FliteDeck is
essentially a part of the FMS and multi-function displays.

I agree with your assessments. The moving map in this version is very,
very good. The only complaint I have it some of the airway stuff
disappears at working scales, such as short segment mileages. And, there
are no cumulative "D" DME distances. That's why they still issue us the
paper en route charts, I was told.

In article >, > wrote:

>
> The airport diagram moving map is nothing short of fantastic. Jet Blue has
> that set up and will almost certainly never have a runway incursion.

Never say never.

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Clifton Park, NY =USA=

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> " wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Overall, JeppView/FliteDeck subscription is the less costly and "legal"
> > solution for my charts, update, & moving map requirement in a format
> > that I am familiar with. Plus, if and when I get FliteDeck to work, I
> > will have the same moving map as those jet pilots.
>
> Only a small percentage of jet pilots have it up and running. The best
> installations are the 777 and the new Gulfstream where FliteDeck is
> essentially a part of the FMS and multi-function displays.
>
> I agree with your assessments. The moving map in this version is very,
> very good. The only complaint I have it some of the airway stuff
> disappears at working scales, such as short segment mileages. And, there
> are no cumulative "D" DME distances. That's why they still issue us the
> paper en route charts, I was told.
>
Heck, Avidyne has a good setup with the EX500/5000 series and the CMax
Electronic Approach Charts option.

http://www.avidyne.com/ex500/default.shtm

Garner Miller wrote:

> In article >, > wrote:
>
> >
> > The airport diagram moving map is nothing short of fantastic. Jet Blue has
> > that set up and will almost certainly never have a runway incursion.
>
> Never say never.

Read the context, ok? "and will almost certainly never have...." is not exactly
saying never.

Matt Barrow wrote:

> > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > " wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Overall, JeppView/FliteDeck subscription is the less costly and "legal"
> > > solution for my charts, update, & moving map requirement in a format
> > > that I am familiar with. Plus, if and when I get FliteDeck to work, I
> > > will have the same moving map as those jet pilots.
> >
> > Only a small percentage of jet pilots have it up and running. The best
> > installations are the 777 and the new Gulfstream where FliteDeck is
> > essentially a part of the FMS and multi-function displays.
> >
> > I agree with your assessments. The moving map in this version is very,
> > very good. The only complaint I have it some of the airway stuff
> > disappears at working scales, such as short segment mileages. And, there
> > are no cumulative "D" DME distances. That's why they still issue us the
> > paper en route charts, I was told.
> >
> Heck, Avidyne has a good setup with the EX500/5000 series and the CMax
> Electronic Approach Charts option.
>
> http://www.avidyne.com/ex500/default.shtm

How many light aircraft have Avidyne? Also, that particular hardware still has
to run the old version of FliteDeck because of operating system issues, or at
least that was the case in January.

wrote:
> They do. It is not on their website, but they do have JeppView TripKit.
>

It's pretty hard to tell from their website just what products they do offer.
Not just this instance, but in general. I think they could boost their sales
tremenedously if they just redesigned and rationalized their website. I know I
personally have gone to their website with the intention of buying something and
left without buying. I'm sure this must happen a lot.

DGB

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
...
> > >
> > >
> > Heck, Avidyne has a good setup with the EX500/5000 series and the CMax
> > Electronic Approach Charts option.
> >
> > http://www.avidyne.com/ex500/default.shtm
>
> How many light aircraft have Avidyne? Also, that particular hardware
still has
> to run the old version of FliteDeck because of operating system issues, or
at
> least that was the case in January.
>

What is the issue with FlightDeck?

FlightMax EX500: The CMax option for the EX500 requires Release 2.0
software, which is not yet available. Release 2.0 software and the CMax
Electronic Approach Charts option are currently being certified and an
announcement regarding availability will be forthcoming soon.

CMax, AIUI, does not use FlightDeck.

Dave Butler wrote:

> wrote:
> > They do. It is not on their website, but they do have JeppView TripKit.
> >
>
> It's pretty hard to tell from their website just what products they do offer.
> Not just this instance, but in general. I think they could boost their sales
> tremenedously if they just redesigned and rationalized their website. I know I
> personally have gone to their website with the intention of buying something and
> left without buying. I'm sure this must happen a lot.
>
> DGB

Their web site is lousy.

CMAX charts are now available with Version 2.0 software and JeppView 3 -- it
works well --- see www.flyimc.com/newpane.html

--------------------
Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

Richard Kaplan wrote:

> CMAX charts are now available with Version 2.0 software and JeppView 3 -- it
> works well --- see www.flyimc.com/newpane.html
>

Glad to hear they got it all sorted out.

I couldn't get your URL to work, though.

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Dave Butler wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> > > They do. It is not on their website, but they do have JeppView
TripKit.
> > >
> >
> > It's pretty hard to tell from their website just what products they do
offer.
> > Not just this instance, but in general. I think they could boost their
sales
> > tremenedously if they just redesigned and rationalized their website. I
know I
> > personally have gone to their website with the intention of buying
something and
> > left without buying. I'm sure this must happen a lot.
> >
> > DGB
>
> Their web site is lousy.

It always has been, even back to their first one six, seven years ago.

Just a guess, but I suspect it stems from their borderline paranoia about
protecting their copyrights.

Matt Barrow wrote:

>
> > Their web site is lousy.
>
> It always has been, even back to their first one six, seven years ago.
>
> Just a guess, but I suspect it stems from their borderline paranoia about
> protecting their copyrights.

They really do have issues like that. ;-) A very protective company. But,
they are very good at what they do.

Sorry about that.... the URL should be www.flyimc.com/newpanel.html

--------------------
Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Richard Kaplan wrote:
>
>> CMAX charts are now available with Version 2.0 software and JeppView 3 --
>> it
>> works well --- see www.flyimc.com/newpane.html
>>
>
> Glad to hear they got it all sorted out.
>
> I couldn't get your URL to work, though.
>

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> >
> > > Their web site is lousy.
> >
> > It always has been, even back to their first one six, seven years ago.
> >
> > Just a guess, but I suspect it stems from their borderline paranoia
about
> > protecting their copyrights.
>
> They really do have issues like that. ;-) A very protective company.
Quite, and so their paranoia is pretty much justified.

> But,
> they are very good at what they do.

Except the part about having a company web site :~)

Matt Barrow wrote:

> Just a guess, but I suspect it stems from their borderline paranoia about
> protecting their copyrights.
>
Actually, it's just been my observation that other than the charts themeselves,
just about everything Jepp does sucks.

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
...
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>
> > Just a guess, but I suspect it stems from their borderline paranoia
about
> > protecting their copyrights.
> >
> Actually, it's just been my observation that other than the charts
themeselves,
> just about everything Jepp does sucks.

At least since Capt. Roy died.

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message =
...
>=20
>=20
> At least since Capt. Roy died.
>

Did you mean "Elrey B. Jeppesen"?